In reply to Great work, Mike by billycurley. "Rodney Dangerfield Gets More Respect Than Seattle's Krieg" was the headline of the profile I just cited. Krieg would suffer a shoulder injury late in what became an up-and-down season, and the Seahawks finished 8-8. Patera, who happened to be the brother of Olympic weightlifter and pro wrestling legend Ken Patera, never coached again after the Seahawks fired him. He finished the season fourth in DVOA (behind Tommy Kramer, Marino, and Boomer Esiason) and eighth in DYAR. It was Zorn's second straight terrible game at home, and Kingdome fans booed their former hero. Knox had led the Rams and Bills to the playoffs in his last two stops. By this point, "small hands" had been added to "played for a college that no longer exists" in Krieg's short-form resume, and he's still third (behind Brett Favre and Warren Moon) on the all-time fumble list. Warner's backups were burly all-purpose backs Dan Doornink and David Hughes, plus kick returner Eric Lane and, incongruously, a well-beyond-the-hill Franco Harris. My parents used to tape the games and send them to me so I could see my team play. See Photos. Krieg finished eighth in DYAR despite only playing half a season. If Dave Krieg hadn't interfered in 1992, DeBerg would have been replaced by Montana a second time, this time with the Chiefs,in 1993. I had forgotten the Rams play, that's got to be one of the greatest plays in history. The Packers narrowly held off the Lions for a 38-30 win. WebDavid Michael Krieg is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. We know you are here for the FREE analytics, not the ads. But Krieg was now an in-demand veteran backup. -The link to the Jets game is the wrong link. He's now a high school coach and autism activist. Raiders in the American Football Conference Championship Game. See Photos. As it turns out, hands under nine inches arent WebDave Krieg is one of the NFLs greatest underdog stories. Dave Krieg. WebInterestingly, his span is a whopping 17.6% wider than Anthony Davis' despite being nine inches shorter. The Seahawks had joined the NFL just four years earlier in 1976. In relief, Krieg threw just one pass, a 23-yard touchdown. The Lions went 5-2 down the stretch. "I figured I had gone too far now, so I just kept going. I think I remember reading once that Montana got his first start over Deberg because Deberg, otherwise healthy, had laryngitis and could not call plays. He went 1-of-8 for 2 yards, three sacks, and one interception in the first half of a Week 8 against the Steelers, who were without Jack Lambert on defense and Terry Bradshaw on offense. In reply to I liked DeBerg, he had by Noahrk. That's not the sort of thing a team does when it is completely satisfied with its starting quarterback. In his 19-year NFL career, Krieg played for the Seahawks (19801991), Kansas City Chiefs (19921993), Detroit Lions (1994), Arizona Cardinals (1995), Chicago Bears (1996), and Tennessee Oilers (19971998). Given the opportunity to play in the fourth game of his freshman season (1976), he completed four passesthree of them for touchdownsand continued to play well enough to start for the rest of his college career. He attended Milton College and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. "How bad can it get if there are only 50 guys on the team and you're the seventh-best quarterback?" WebDave Krieg As a professional athlete, he has represented various famous NFL teams like- Seattle Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs, Detriot Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears , In reply to Have for years merged Dave by MilkmanDanimal. Ryan Fitzpatrick with Buffalo in2011 kind of fits that mold, but Ryan Fitzpatrick has his own unique layers to his story. Dave Krieg. "The Unholy Trinity" as I've labeled them. Many years later, Lions tackle Lomas Brown admitted that he got "gator arms" on the guy he was blocking because he was wanted Mitchell out of the game. Although he missed seven games with a separated shoulder, his excellent play helped propel the Seahawks to their first AFC West Division Championship. I was about to jump in by Joey-Harringto. The Seahawks went 4-3 down the stretch, though Zorn had less to do with their success than a strong defense led by Kenny Easley and Jacob Green, and perhaps the fact that the players no longer despised their coach and vice-versa. Find your friends on Facebook. "People talk about the arm strength of quarterbacks," said Seahawks quarterback coach Ken Meyer in a Krieg profile during the 1984 playoffs. Even when the young starter played poorly,[33] coach Jeff Fisher declined to insert Krieg. Pickett, an otherwise accomplished college player, measured out with some of the smallest hands in Combine history at 8.5 inches. OK, the surprise game-opening bomb was a pretty standard tactic for run-oriented playcallers. Krieg is now a motivational speaker and businessman who sometimes returns to Seattle for "legends of yesteryear"-type events. Hmm, it doesnt appear his hand size matters! [21] Nevertheless, Krieg's strong regular season showing earned him another Pro Bowl appearance. They were merely average for someone of his 6-foot-5 stature. Patera's attitude toward unions was predictable. However, operating behind a porous offensive line, Krieg had another inconsistent year. I remember thinkingat the time that having to watch Stouffer lead Seahawks offense over and over again must be one of the punishments sinners endure in hell. The other players profiled in this series had multiple seasons near the top of the DVOA leaderboards. Dave Krieg The college's enrollment had been dwindling for years, but coach Rudy Gaddini had recently built a local powerhouse. I think the cut off point in terms of date of birth is probably sometime in 1970 or 1971. But Dan McGwire (brother of Mark)was somehow worse. However, Krieg's pedestrian performance on the road in the playoffs contributed to the Seahawks' swift elimination at the hands of the top-seeded Cincinnati Bengals. Knox returned to coach the Rams for three awful years before retiring. Krieg and the Seahawks suffered another midseason swoon in 1989. They alternated pairs of wins and then losses the entire season (2-0, 2-2, 4-2, 4-4, etc. ", https://www.footballoutsiders.com/almanac/historical-archive. But after Krieg went 6-of-16 for 26 yards and five sacks in a Week 8 loss to the Broncos, Knox turned the starting job over to Gilbert, who had gone undrafted out of Cal in 1985. [18] That December, Krieg was named AFC Player of the Month. Come to find out Jack Patera didn't tell me all week because he thought I'd get too dang nervous. When injuries sidelined Jim Zorn late in the season, Krieg started the last three games and played well, helping the team record two of its six wins that year. Did our Marvin49 just get featured in a niner nation article? Nice to see DVOA back up these intuitions. Zorn and Krieg battled through the 1983 offseason, but Knox refused to acknowledge the controversy that the press was breathlessly reporting about. Definitely not the oldest person on here if you are using Krieg as a reference .. ROFL.. kids? Scroll down on this page to "A Good Walkthrough Spoiled. In his second season as a starter, less than a year after he tore his ACL, Joe Burrow threw 34 touchdowns, won three playoff games and took the Bengals to their first Super Bowl in over three decades. "Stouffer has been impressive, very impressive," Knox said, even though Stouffer completed just 20 total passes and threw zero touchdowns in his two starts. [34], However, in the 1998 season opener in Cincinnati, McNair exited the game with a bruised elbow. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com. Then Mitchell finished the year on fire, and everyone was like, "Hey, maybe this will work after all!". [11] pic.twitter.com/wmVSmWf5oO EXCELLENT article on our QB and thus draft situation, Some Denver fans not sure we won Wilson trade. DeBerg moved on, and Krieg found himself handing off to Christian Okoye and Barry Word in a conservative offense for a team run by an old-school head coach that got hammered in the first round of the playoffs. Krieg replaced the trio of Steve Beuerlein, Jay Schroeder, and Jim McMahon as Ryan sought the ultimate plucky, seasoned handoff machine. His college teams had a 14-30 record in games he started (not exactly in a power conference either), and he was brutal his senior year, completing fewer than 55% of his passes with twice as many INTs as TDs (7-14). Dave Krieg Jets link has been fixed. Broadcasters and columnists alike loved to tell the story of the seventh-stringer from tiny Milton College. by ahzroc. Searching for contemporary comparisons for Krieg may be missing the point, however. "I wish I had an arm like John Elway but I don't," Krieg said in the same article. The Chiefs signed Joe Montana to really feed their habit in 1993. In January 2017, Krieg raised the 12 Flag atop the Space Needle a few days before the Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions, 26-6, in an NFL Wild Card playoff game.[44]. Dave was lots of fun (along with some gnashing of teeth). We come to the Golden Example. At that time, what was right was letting Dave stay in. Gilbert should have kept looking. Largent, who retired as the NFL's all-time leading receiver, represented his native Oklahoma in Congress for eight years. Curt Warner purchased an auto dealership in Vancouver. Hand size is more of a fun trivia fact than anything that says a quarterback will fail in the big leagues. In fact, the media gushed over Krieg, and he was well-regarded (as I recall) among national fans. As someone who started following the league at near the end of Kreig's prime, I didn't really have a good feel for his career arc. Stouffer stepped in and led the Seahawks to a pair of wins, mostly by handing off to Warner and John L. Williams. After Mitchell's poor half season in '94., everyone was ready to jump off the bandwagon. Seattle General Manager Tom Flores decided to retain Stouffer and McGwire, and to let Krieg become a free agent. In reply to I remember Mirer having a by Joey-Harringto. I really enjoyed that. Veteran Jeff Kemp, who looked great when throwing to Largent against insurance salesmen in 1987, flopped in a one-game trial as the backup. I'm fuzzy on the details, but I have fond memories of his days in Miami, even though I mostly remember him in Kansas doing his thing for the Chiefs. Kramer suffered a back injury, and Krieg went on to start 12 games. I remember feeling like the Seahawks had finally fixed their QB problems but that didn't happen. He played through an era of rapid strategic, financial, and administrative transition across the NFL. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. Like Romo, Krieg rose from the bottom of the bench to have some fabulous seasons, as well as some not-so-fabulous ones. He passed away in 2018. The Seahawks finished a disappointing 79, leading to the resignation of Coach Knox. I looked it up, in 1993 after 7-2 Miami lost Marino for the season and Scott Mitchell went down, they signed DeBerg, then 39, off-the-street and put him as their starter. But who would hand off to Warner? One can only wonder what would have happened had the Cowboys kept Zorn and/or DeBerg instead of Glenn Carano (2nd round pick in 1977) once Roger Staubach retired and Danny White (drafted by the Cowboys in the 3rd round in 1974, went to the WFL at the start of his career, joined the Cowboys in 1976) beat out Carano for the starter's job in 1980. Honestly, I'd just love to read some more detailed stories about about how DeBerg and Montana were good friends off the field who competed relentlessly at everything during their two plus seasonstogether on the 49ersbefore DeBerg was traded to Denver shortly before the 1981 NFL season started. Coming from a small college, I didn't feel like I had any resources to fall back to for help outside of football. Some of our best years, pre-Holmgren. David Michael Krieg (born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. However, even Krieg's good games rarely resulted in Cardinals victories. "I'm left struggling with the question of just how good Krieg really was". In the 1991 NFL Draft, the Seahawks used their first round pick on another quarterback of the future, Dan McGwire. "We went out for pre-game warm-ups and I didn't know if it would be Sam Adkins or myself. Neither Krieg nor the Chiefs must have noticed that anything much had changed. In 1986, Krieg played well initially, leading the Seahawks to a 53 record. However, Krieg still saw substantial action in 1993, relieving Montana in six games, and starting five games for the oft-injured Hall of Famer. Okay, So, how rare is that among quality starting quarterbacks? Jones was, in fact, the player who injured Mitchell. Krieg wouldn't have survived it all if he wasn't very, very good. This year that backwards discussion is centered around former Pittsburgh signal-caller, Kenny Pickett. It was a callback to when Krieg replaced Zorn against the Steelers a decade earlier. [13], Returning to the bench at the outset of the 1983 campaign, Krieg remained there until Zorn's performance faltered in midseason. Anyway, the Seahawks traded three draft picks, including a 1989 first-rounder, for the rights to Stouffer. "I said earlier in the week that we don't want to get this guy into the game and let him get into a rhythm," Jones said. Dave Krieg Web@andeparks I was there too! [30], In 1996, the Chicago Bears signed Krieg to back up Erik Kramer. Football Outsiders content published by ESPN. ", Krieg himself made a remark which would prove ironic in the seasons to come. "Dave was in the zone", McNair explained. But then I looked up Steve DeBerg's stats, and it turns out his Kansas City years were pretty damn good: 3 straight top-10 passing DVOA finishes for a perennial playoff contender. Bigger hands and Dave would have been so much better. Krieg could not, however, lead the Lions past the Packers in the playoffs. -Kelly Stouffer is one of the greatest draft mysteries to me ever. This was back when teams would occasionally play teams outside their division twice in a season. WebLegendary fumbling quarterback Dave Krieg third on the all-time list with 153 was rumored to have teeny hands. The Krieg-led Lions in the 2nd half of '94 was one of my favorite Lions teams to watch. Hand size (Length/Span): 9.5/10 Height: 61 Percent longer than the Maybe! Still, I was surprised to see trips formations, multiple personnel groupings, and lots of early-down passing from Krieg and Knox. See Photos. [4] He and Dave Kraayeveld (who also played for the Seahawks) are the only NFL players to have attended Milton College.[5]. In reply to "I'm left struggling with by Joe Pancake. Kemp relieved Krieg in the fourth quarter and nearly led the Seahawks on a scoring drive in the final 71 seconds. The Seahawks went 9-7 but missed the playoffs. They were considered the hottest team in the AFC and possibly the NFL at the end of the season, but missed the playoffs at 10-6 due to tiebreakers. "He had some big plays and rallied us. Gannett may earn revenue from sports betting operators for audience referrals to betting services. Meanwhile, in St. Louis, former Colorado State quarterback Kelly Stouffer held out for a full year after the Cardinals selected him sixth overall in the 1987 draft. Fortunately the rest of my team was stacked. Romo, on the other hand, was flashier and more gifted than Krieg. He's the godfather of the Rob Johnson, Kevin Kolb, and Matt Flynn types. He was impressing coaches and teammates with his ability to fire tight spirals into the wind. At least the Seahawks suckered the Bears into giving up a first round pick for him! [7], By the middle of the 1981 season, Krieg overtook Sam Adkins on the depth chart to become the Seahawks' second-string quarterback. Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. I loaded up a video of the 1984 Seahawks' Week 13 victory over the Broncos to watch as part of my prep for this article. Maybe they should have just switched sides for the afternoon. Despite Krieg's solid play, the visiting Lions lost narrowly to the Green Bay Packers in the first round of the playoffs. He kept his turnovers, sacks, and fumbles down, finishing 11th in DVOA and 12th in DYAR, stunning figures for a 38-year-old whose weapons were Curtis Conway (not bad), early-career Bobby Engram (OK), Michael Timpson, fullbacks Tony Carter and Raymont Harris, and tight end Ryan Wetnight (yikes). A few other comments from somebody who has watched almost every Seahawks game since 1984. In reply to How dare you besmirch the by Ambientdonkey. And Krieg, the team's starter for a decade, was exposed to Plan B free agency, the rough 1980s equivalent of being a June 1 cap casualty. Cranky coaches! [28] Although Krieg had set Detroit Lions regular-season records for fewest passes intercepted (3) and highest passer rating (101.7), the team decided to stick with Mitchell and let Krieg become a free agent. That decision helped doom the Seahawks to several seasons of misery and mediocrity under a succession of uninspired quarterbacks. Have you bought the book with the best of Mike's first 12 years or so writing for Football Outsiders? See Photos. Statistically, the 1994 season was the best of Krieg's career: Krieg completed 61.8% of his passes and threw 14 touchdowns versus only 3 interceptions, for a passer rating of 101.7. Use promo code, C.J. Mahomes has played in the AFC Championship Game every year of his starting career and is the leagues arguable best player. Head coach Jack Patera and offensive coordinator Jerry Rhome liked Krieg, and he latched on in training camp in 1980once again as a seventh-string quarterback, at least according to Krieg's recollections. "He's got a big-league arm. There are so many good bad stats from this team, but my personal favorite is that they never topped 17 points on the season and had a six-game stretch in which they scored 22 points total! To their credit, Knox and Meyer turned back to Krieg as soon as he was healthy. ', and I said, 'I guess I do now.'". Which just tells you that there were a lot of excellent QBs at that time. He also had 17 rushing attempts for 20 yards and 1 touchdown. Rhome did not mince words when talking about his two quarterbacks in an AP story which ran on August 3, 1982. More posts you may like. Jeff Hostetler signed with the Raiders at the same time Mitchell signed with the Lions, and he kind of worked out okay (didn't light the world on fire stats-wise, but did make a Pro Bowl and won a lot of games as a starter). In a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. Oh, and he has the smallest hands among all current NFL starting quarterbacks. How dare you besmirch the good name of the ultraback. Perhaps due to this increased competition, Krieg's consistency increased further in 1988. Have 5hoguht about book like that or. That makes a difference," said Meyer, who had suggested years earlier that a big-league arm doesn't make much difference. I know I am probably the oldest guy on here, so most of you kids probably don't even remember Krieg, but he was a damn good QB who was also underrated. [42], Krieg is now a motivational speaker and real estate investor in Phoenix, Arizona. Sports Reference Wide receiver Steve Largent had just emerged as the team's first true star. He didn't get many opportunities to impress recruiters, so he ended up at Milton College, a tiny NAIA program located southeast of Madison. Patera tried to fine players half of their game checks for the gesture, which would have cost Zorn $9,000. The Seahawks went 2-1 in replacement games, in part because Largent and a few others crossed the picket lines. "Ground Chuck" took flight under Dave Krieg. In Week 16, Krieg was benched and Stouffer got his first start of that season. WebIn a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. Like Fitzpatrick, Krieg played for so long that his origin story became a broadcast trope, and he often played just well enough to get his next job rather than keep his current one. Krieg returned and led the Seahawks to a 3-1 record down the stretch. Please keep me in your thoughts. Despite going undrafted in the 1980 NFL Draft, he has consistently demonstrated remarkable talent as a quarterback throughout his career. Should DeBerg get his own "Legends of DVOA" entry? Zorn played adequately to start the season, then slowly fell off a cliff. In his 19-year NFL career, Krieg played for the Seattle Seahawks (19801991), the Kansas City Chiefs (19921993), the Detroit "We just decided to make a change to hopefully get some spark in there and be able to make some plays we haven't been making," Knox said. Yet hes an elite quarterback anyway? Krieg started his career as a seventh-string quarterback at a level of competition one step up from intramurals. [15], Krieg's inconsistency contributed to the mediocrity of the Seahawks in 1985. 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He's pretty unflappable. Parts of his story"seventh-string" quarterbacks, canisters of film, Plan B free agency, general managers stepping in as coaches, quarterback controversies that last multiple seasons and don't end with epic tradesbarely make sense anymore. WebSmall hands.. the anti Russell hands. Krieg backed up Zorn and Sam Adkins as an undrafted rookie. As someone old enough to remember when Dave Krieg came on the scene to replace Jim Zorn in 1983, there are a lot of thoughts I want to share, some of which are only tangentially tied to Krieg and some of which were mentioned in the "Aftermath" section of the article: 1) Though Tony Romo was an undrafted player like Krieg (and for that matter Jim Zorn), at least Eastern Illinois University is still in business as an institution of higher learning today. They somehow (read:Cortez Kennedy) won two games, one of which was against the 1-15 Patriots, so the Pats got local heroDrew Bledsoe #1 in the draftand the Seahawks got Rick Mirer at #2. Krieg signed as a free agenta real free agent this timewith Buddy Ryan's Arizona Cardinals, another team with a quartergeezer habit. Krieg Its buildings are now libraries, churches, and apartments in a small-town historic district. Does anyone else question Geno's leadership and accountability cred? *DeBerg traded to the Broncos shortly before the 1981 season; Reeves was in his first year as the Broncos head coach. Great stuff. However, he faltered in midseason, so Coach Knox benched him in favor of Gale Gilbert. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1988 season. Sports betting and gambling are not legal in all locations. I think the description of Kreig being part Romo and part Fitzpatrick is pretty good. He also earned the "Ground Chuck" nickname: his Rams finished first or second in the NFL in rushing attempts four times, and his Bills finished second in 1980 and fourth in 1982. 1 quarterback," Knox insisted in early September, adding that "Zorn has a better grasp of what we're trying to do offensively.". The Milton product's consistent play complemented the considerable talents of All-Pro wide receiver Steve Largent and Pro Bowl running back Curt Warner, allowing the Seahawks to make the playoffs for the first time in the team's eighth season. Krieg returned to the lineup the following week. Dave Krieg. At Milton, a now-defunct small private college in Milton, Wisconsin, Krieg began as the 7th-string quarterback for his school's NAIA team, the Wildcats. [22], In 1989, Krieg struggled to lead an offense depleted by injuries. Given the litany of stars who have entered the league since Carr started his professional career in 2014, it can be easy to forget this Raiders mainstay. Dave Krieg, sometimes known as Mudbone, is a former NFL football player from the United States. Head coach Mike Holmgren said of Krieg, "I always wanted him to play for me, but he was way too expensive every year. But Fitzpatrick only finished in the top 10 in DVOA once, in 2018. Could Stetson Bennett Be the Next Brock Purdy? Steve DeBerg should get a unique "Ryan Fitzpatrick Before Ryan Fitzpatrick" entry. 4) Bob Smizik was a long-time sports columnist in Pittsburgh either for the morningPittsburgh Post-Gazette or the afternoonPittsburgh Press. I have actually walked on the campus of MILTON, not Ripon college, as well as Alma College in Michigan when my late father suggested that, just to be sure, should also look at small colleges not just the big land grant State schools. WebThe official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more. He played most of his career with coaches who practically hated their quarterbacks, or at least the modern passing offenses those quarterbacks represented. Krieg's streaks, slumps, hoary feel-good story and late-career travels prompt comparisons to Fitzpatrick. I think if you hang around here enough you'll see there's plenty of us who remember Neil Graff, Bill Munson and the lefty from Cal Poly-Pomona.
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